Thursday, March 24, 2011

Ask Jesh De Rox How You Too Can Get High For Only $16,500

Jesh De Rox. What the hell happened to you? That's the question we were asking in our minds last night. In fact, we've been wondering that about Jesh for years now. And we know thousands of photographers have been waiting for our beloved Photogzilla to chime in. Yes. Pun intended right therrr. And more puns to follow. Cause we can't help it.

So some quick background for those who were confused when they checked into their beloved Twitter accounts yesterday. We had Zack Arias (@zarias) going off on Jesh de Rox (@jeshderox#onedaywithjeshinstead) for offering a one day one-on-one consultation to photographers for the price of a pimped out Hyundai. We want to thank Zack for giving our sexy editor in chief the night off.

Jesh is a photoshop student who bought a camera some years back. He refers to himself as the crying experimental photographer. Ok. He doesn't refer to himself as 'crying,' but we take liberty in applying that. Cause he cries. A lot. Show him a girl in a chair. He'll cry. Show him a brick. He'll cry. Show him toilet paper. He'll cry. You get the point. So he's an 'experimental experientialiasticexpialadocious photographer.' You know. Like an experimental experientialiasticexpialadocious doctor. Experimental Experientialiasticexpialadocious lawyer. Experimental Experientialiasticexpialadocious paramedic. You have to pray things turn out at the end. And if it doesn't, it still does. Cause hey, just slap the word art on it and you're done. Right? In Jesh's case, a layer of dirty concrete with about 10% opacity. Oh hell. Take it up to 20%. Don't forget to play with the little color sliders. Go crazy. Um. Well. You decide. Anyway.

Over the last week or so, Jesh spammed emails across the vast internet inviting photographers to watch a live presentation he wanted to give about what he calls the Beloved. More on that in a minute. Where he got so many emails, that's a whole different question. From his Twitter, apparently over 3500 photogs registered to watch. It was password protected and all. Basic email address collecting for future marketing spam. No problemo.

The presentation was about a product he's trying to move. The Beloved Potpourri Box. It has dried up ferns, pine cones, berries, thistles, thyme, British Columbia weed, and maybe some oregano. Oh. And 30 4x6 photos printed on card stock as a bonus. There's some gibberish written on the back of each photo. "Blow in her ear. Now click the button." And "Stare into her eyes. Think about straddling each other. On a horse. Now click the shutter. Don't forget to cry." And our favorite "Tell the guy to put one of his hands in her shirt. Tell him to cup her. Tell her to close her eyes. Tell them both to pretend they are laying on a vibrating bed. Without any quarters. And their kitten died. Cry again. Now click the shutter." Things like that. So the photos give you some direction to give to the subjects. All for the bargain basement price of $295.

Now, we know there are morons who will pay that price for potpourri. But we think it's the BC Bud in the box that's really adding value here. Our take is if you did buy this box, you probably qualify for a slap thyself hard in thy beloved face. Or maybe we need a savvy drug dealer. But the fun doesn't stop here.

Of course, Jesh started talking about a movement of expressing emotion in a photo. A whole new genre of photography. Something that's never been done before. Over a 125 years of photography. And we don't understand how this wasn't thought of before. What a fucking revolution of epic proportion.


You take a photo. Then you explain to people what was happening. Without an explanation, it's just another, well, photo. Let's see some visuals. Shall we?

Sample 1 Beloved Session - This one is called "Man Hide Face Blow In Her Ear Oh Where's Your Hand Naughty Boy" 

Sample 2 Beloved Session - This one is called "I Lose Composition You Think It's Hilarious Wind Blowing Up The Hill Shit Fuck Shit I Lost Focus"

Sample 3 Beloved Session - This one is called "Think About How Jacked Up It Was Your Parents Didn't Let You Attend Your Middle School Halloween Dance"

To be honest. These photos don't make us think there's much of a revolution going on here. Oh. Yeah. So he added the word Revolution to the Beloved. Sadly, the marketing effort to stir up a revolution similar to Egypts recent actual revolution has fallen short. Photographers haven't exactly taken to the streets. But they certainly did last night on Twitter.


The beloved shit that hit the fan was when the normal come-hither-for-free-seminar-but-a-sales-pitch-at-the-end was coming to a close. Besides the products like the useless Beloved Potpourri Box for $295, Jesh pitched one of his workshops for a one on one consultation. Normally this goes for the already bargain price of $20,000, but if you act now, Jesh would spend an entire day with you, and maybe even throw in some fish tacos, for a sale price of $16,500. One. On. One. With. Jesh. De. Rox. Only for Sixteen Thousand, Five Hundred Dollars. Do we need to spell that out again?

WTF to the tenth power. Here's our sexy beloved rockstar, Photogzilla:

"I nearly fell off my beloved stationary 10-speed bike while watching Dancing With The Stars on my DVR. What the fuck can you possibly teach me in one day that could be worth $16,500? Perceived value is bull shit. Perceive my left nut please. While we have people who are trying to be a professional photographer walking around with glazed over eyeballs making emotional commitments to workshops and lessons being taught by braintards with less than a handful of years of experience (breathe), we have a high as a kite idiot fooling other idiots. Jesh DeRox needs a consultation with Jesh DeTox to clean out his system. I hope he's staying away from operating any heavy machinery. The asinine price cannot be debated. Don't even try."

We encourage a free market. People can buy whatever they want. They do all the time. But that's not the point we're making here. Services disguised as education fall extremely short as it is. From newbs to professionals, a bad idea is a bad idea. If it quacks like an idiot, it probably is Jesh-like people going on for hours and hours talking up fluff. Making little to no sense, hoping you get lost in the same psychedelic emotional feel good moment. And then take your credit card. There goes that shiny new lens you could have invested in instead. In this one-on-one case, about 2 pro DSLR bodies, 5 gorgeous lenses, a template website, and some business cards. Hey. You're a pro by nightfall.

We know for a fact that Jesh's approach to selling whatever he's selling is not only foolish, but unethical. If you don't want to actually sell the service, you put an ass-tronomical price on it. Maybe some big idiot fish will bite. However, we don't encourage anyone to participate in such misleading practices of inflated pricing to try to look important. When in fact you can't even deliver on it.

Some more unethical practices. It's done by not only fools we've talked about before, such as Dane Sanders (organizing fluff seminars that always fail) and Jasmine Star (stealing other photographer's work to market herself or using a fake last name to sound important), but Jesh is trying to be a little sneaky about it too. One would think original ideas would come from the person passing it along as his own. We've already discussed the original idea of the very legs Beloved stands on. Revolutionary idea it's not. Prove us wrong. Photogzilla welcomes a public debate. But PZ sexy does have a huge speaking fee. How about plagiarizing someone else's ideas and words to pass off as your own. David Jay's entire talks are nothing but lines he's taken out of self-help books. So Jesh giving an interview without even referencing his source so he could easily make himself sound smarter than the average bear shouldn't be so bad either. Ethical? You decide. How many other ideas has he ripped and charged others to regurgitate? Photographer Julia Bailey shared the following example:

Exhibit A from julia bailey on Vimeo.

Jesh ends with "one of the things I say." No sir. YOU don't say anything it seems like. You repeat what you hear. But nice attempt to make the idea sound like your own. You are bordering on the realm of fraud. Strong word. Don't worry. You're in good company.

Ironically. Our old friend Dane Sanders is in the same video too. Guilty by association. This is the Fasttrack master himself. So maybe Jesh's $16,500 can WarpSpeed you to the upper echelons of photography businesses everywhere. To the point you won't have to shoot EVER again. Dane Sanders hardly does. And neither does Jesh. At least we haven't seen any proof to the contrary. Jesh hasn't had a wedding client since September 27, 2008. 2nd WTF.


Ironic. So many of these workshop seminar overnight successful business in a Fasttrack Potpourri package sellers don't seem to shoot that much at all or have very little to qualify them as an experienced professional. Experience seems to have taken a backseat. Marketing and the number of social network friends & followers seems to be the measure of success. Not actual ongoing on the job experience. Let alone thousands of hours mastering your craft.

Is Jesh a nice guy? Sure. Everyone can be nice. Look at Photogzilla. He's super nice to every hot girl just so he can get into her pants. Nice means shit at the end of the day. Let's start practicing some humility in how we conduct ourselves as newb or pro photographers. Sure you'll make some money in the short term taking advantage of naive newbs. But at the end of the day, you fall into the category of asshole. If you genuinely want to educate others and charge for it, educate yourself til you bleed and then teach. Many years later. Many many years. Say at least 10,000 hours of on the job experience if you need to quantify/qualify yourself.

In closing, we would like to go ahead and let you know that Photogzilla is now offering an all day one-on-one phone consultation. He will talk your ear off for 8+ hours talking about his feelings, throw in a crying session or seven, and promise to follow you on Twitter. Regular price is $50,000. But first person to take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity will get the bargain price of $25,000. That's half off! He's even going to throw in a couple of male, female, or hermaphrodite strippers. Your choice.

Keep Stalking Photogzilla!

26 comments:

  1. you and me baby, you and me.

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  2. Dear Photogzilla, I want to take you up on your one on one. But. I will bring the kleenex and lots of rubber.

    Seriously, Jesh needs to remember to bring lube and kleenex with his one on one sessions if he is gonna cry.

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  3. Wow.

    I love that you feel the freedom to express yourself. But I must confess, I haven't read a critique so categorically, so otherworldly different than what I understood from the same material (as one small example, Jesh clearly explained he doesn't shoot weddings anymore, so stating he hasn't shot a wedding since 2008 is something we already someone who was listening to him would already know). It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts if could reach a place of paraphrasing Jesh's message, and allow him to respond with an affirmative, "Yeah, man, that's what I'm talking about." And then critique that. I think it would add substantial value, merit, and credibility to what you have to say. Otherwise, it just comes off as a tabloid. But maybe that's what you're going for. And if that's the case, then more power to you.

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  4. Awesome read. David Jay is a complete master manipulator. He seems to be the kingpin who started all of this. Jasmine Star is a complete phony who preaches hopeless romantic bullshit to all her female followers, she has an impressionable crew that would make the Beliebers "star"ry eyed.

    Sure we can bash these people who are charging $2000 plus for workshops, but we also need to hold accountable the photogs who charge hundreds of dollars for a tutorial dvd - Until the day comes that I am buying movie dvds at that price will you ever see me shelling out anything by Zack Arias, Jerry Ghionis etc. Zack Arias can point fingers, but he has three pointing right back at him as he does that.

    Kevin Kubota, Doug and Chenin Boutwell with their Actions. They are just photoshop all stars, their is no talent in being able to record the buttons you push in photoshop, no amount of spin about it can justify Kubota, Totally Rad and other actions genuinely costing more than $20 instead of their 500% inflated pricing schemes. Totally Rad actions for $150+? No thank you. Kubota Actions $250+? Give me a break.

    The problem however lies with the Photographer consumer just as much as the "Rockstar" photographer as we/they are the ones providing the demand and justifying the pricing these "Rockstars" are coming up with. Who isn't going to charge $5k for a workshop when it is being sold out. Who isn't going to charge $250 for 35 textures by Jesh De Rox if they are being purchased. As a photographer, we all want to be like the best so we sacrifice our own style and worth to be like someone else we envy. We think, hey if they are making a ton of money, if I can copy their style (Jose Villa, Image Is Found etc.), I'll be rich and well known too and I can make my own actions and sell them for an exorbitant amount as well (Jodi Friedman of MCP Actions). Instead we give away our own originality and soul in the pursuit of money, power and fame.

    I strongly feel we need to hold these Rockstars accountable for their pricing and bullshit. I think we need to continue to call out those taking advantage of others in the industry. If Jesh De Rox sold 365 days of sessions at $16.5k he would make $6,022,500.00 in a year from sessions, that is over $60million over 10 years. If anyone wants to know how effective his time has been, look at how successful she is, she gets to spend every day with him, who has she become? Other than being beloved herself, I would think Jesh's effectiveness with getting to spend so much time with him at his valued price would make her a millionaire by now as well, instead her influence isn't anything and what it may be is that she is supporting Jesh in telling him to increase his pricing to support her lifestyle and greed. Unfortunately though, I think Jesh is getting most of the criticism from others, when truthfully, it needs to fall much harder on others, especially the impostor and puppeteer David Jay himself as you are right, he is a glorified motivational speaker who has a good memory to quote self help books and self help speakers. Nothing wrong with knowing where the money is, but there is something wrong in asking for so much money.

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  5. I saw this RT on Twitter: "@scottbourne I wish photographers would spend 1/10th the energy they do attacking each other on Twitter on #improvingtheircraftinstead" Which makes me laugh even more as Scott Bourne was, luckily, blogged by you! (Can I be blogged about?)

    While these speak-o-togs are asses for speaking all about nothing at a premium, it should also be told that it is also because of the people looking for overnight success or really expensive reminders of what they are "looking" for.

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  6. FYI - not a fan of Mr. Jesh...but I did want to point out...he doesn't call himself an "experimental" photographer. He's an "Experiential" photographer. I still think it's a bit of a self-pedestal-putting title, but it is a very distinct difference.

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  7. ok...milk came out of my nose when I read "And their kitten died". hahahaha

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  8. So this guy shot weddings from 2006 to 2008 and thinks he now knows everything and can save the world. LOL Suckers are those that PAY for his stuff.

    Someone photoshop Jesh's photo of himself in the bathroom where paper is flying around and make that into money.

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  9. The fact that you make such gross accusations about a woman you know NOTHING about says volumes about the state of your life. You have no idea who you are bashing. If you did, you would be INCREDIBLY embarrassed of your words. Your feelings that it's your job to hold these people you don't know 'accountable' is odd, but whatever. But attacking his family THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, is so so so gross. It hurts my heart that you did that.

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  10. I just have to put this out there. Zack Arias' One Light DVD COMPLETELY changed the way I shoot portraits and seniors. It was worth every cent. I need a step by step tutorial, and he gives it to you. I think $250 for something that has had a huge ROI for me is chump change. Just my opinion.

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  11. Wait...Jesh is STRAIGHT?

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  12. You guys all missed! Jesh's workshop was calculated in Yen, that's all.

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  13. Not only have you (eloquently) stated the obvious about Jesh here but you also called out Jasmine Star. I have never seen anyone call her out for her photography. When she burst on the scene last year and was being idolized like some new Incan Goddess with Jim Jones like sensibility, I couldn't believe all the lemmings who were espousing their undying love for her. I thought her work was nothing special and you called her out too. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. It's nice to see others who have qualms in fighting for this industry and calling "bullshit" on people who misrepresent and muddy the industry.

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  14. I don't think anybody really read it right. Its actually "EXPERIENTIAL" not "EXPERIMENTAL". In fact, this only makes it all that much more ridiculous. Yes, the Jesh "Experience". Maybe he thinks he's the Jimi Hendrix of photography. In reality, the work is pretty stale. You could argue its hard to even look through the body of work since its hard to make out the subject of the photograph, past all the textures.

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  15. Worse than "Rockstars" are the people that stick up for them.

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  16. Totally awesome man! Someone had to say it and you did an awesome job. Check's in the mail!

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  17. I think I love u.. u made my day with this post!!

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  18. I am pretty sure that for $16,500.00 let alone $20,000.00 you could shadow a TRUE photography icon for a day and actually learn something. Jesh is no icon, never will be in the overall world of photography, merely a guy putting a B.S. Sales Pitch spin (in my opinion) on wedding/portrait photography and trying to make as much money off of the "Industry People of Photography" (Newbies & Girl's with cameras) that he can. If the cost is $20,000.00 to have a full day one-on-one mentor session with Jesh then simple math would dictate that a 2-hour "Experiential Photo Session" is worth $2500.00 not including prints of course or the Dr. Phil session you might want or need after the session.

    Hey, call it what it is, "SALES & MARKETING" and I want your f-ing money and I am building a "BRAND" that will help me take your money from you. What actually might be worth $16,500.00 is learning how to sell empty Genie Bottles and have people actually pay for said Empty Bottles. To me this smells of a late night infomercial, how many idiots are there in the world? Enough to keep Jesh & Co. smiling every single day.

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  19. Personally I don't care what you or anyone calls Jesh. I believe in "Beloved" regardless.

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  20. I bet his made up name "Jesh" is really a subliminal name really trying to embed "JESus" in your head. Note that "h" is a "u" upside down! Part of the marketing.

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  21. "Perceived value is bull shit. Perceive my left nut please."

    Best. lines. ever.

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  22. This is HILARIOUS - Hitler rants on Jesh De Rox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2rs1CA5P4. Photogzilla, did YOU put this together?

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  23. Best. Post. Ever. Now this was a link worthy of clicking on, especially when you so [subtly] threw Jasmine Star in the mix. She seems to be living on a perpetual cloud of butterflies and dreams, all while making sure she's dressed to the nines shooting weddings (Really? Who wears stilettos to shoot a wedding? Seriously.)...And Jesh, well...yeah. reminds me of this lady: 
    http://weddingsbykoren.com/pricing.html....yes, that says $43,250. 

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  24. Buahahahahaha. That Koren site is creepy.

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  25. He is such a douche rockstar-wannabe that he uses the (fake) last name "de Rox".

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